Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: For the past 22 years, Maggie Frank has been a part of Wellspring, the domestic violence and sexual assault services resource for Saratoga and Washington County, N.Y. april is domestic Violence Awareness Month, and on its final day, April 30th is called Denim Day.
The sun was out in late April, and Maggie Frank was kind enough to sit down and shed meaningful light on the needs of people in the two counties and how I, along with you, the listener, can help others.
If there is one thing to do to make this world a better place, please listen to Maggie Frank of Wellspring tell me her story.
The sun has come out.
[00:00:48] Speaker B: The sun has come out and you can feel spring.
[00:00:51] Speaker A: So this is, like, so great that we finally got together and we had meaning to get together and had the opportunity to get your name for one of your staff members and then catch up at Overdressed to Impress, which was.
[00:01:11] Speaker B: Just so much fun, wasn't it?
[00:01:12] Speaker A: It was fabulous.
[00:01:14] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:01:15] Speaker A: And I didn't. I was close. I might have been able to walk the Runway. I dressed for it. I dressed for it, but everybody was.
[00:01:23] Speaker B: I think next year you should wear the yellow thing with the feathers.
[00:01:26] Speaker A: Feathers.
[00:01:26] Speaker B: That would be a statement.
[00:01:27] Speaker A: I'm afraid I may get a Big Bird comment on, like, you know, on Facebook or something. But every. It was such a great night for. To see women, and you said a couple. Couple guys there, which was great. But the amount of smiles and joy and getting dressed up on a chilly night to support other women and support Wellspring just kind of drove everything for us to get together in this very important month of April. And I love themes.
And so this is. I always. When we're in the situation, I always say this is one of your months, and then you have a big day coming up. So, Maggie Frank, what is April to you and what is Denim Day to you? So why am I here talking to you? Because all the. I'm here to talk to you because of all the great things you do.
But tell me a little bit about you and this month and then this upcoming day.
[00:02:33] Speaker B: Okay. I'll start out with just Wellspring. Let's start there. So in case folks don't know about Wellspring. So we are the domestic violence and sexual assault services resource for Saratoga county and also do sexual assault services in Washington County. So we work with issues of domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault, trafficking, and elder abuse. And April's important because this is Sexual Assault Awareness Month. And you mentioned a big day coming up that is Denim Day on April 30th.
Have you heard of Denim Day?
[00:03:06] Speaker A: I know of it now. Okay, but for anybody else who doesn't, what's Denim Day?
[00:03:12] Speaker B: Okay, for folks who don't know, back in the 70s in Italy, there was a case. There was a teenage girl who was taking her first driving lesson, and her driving instructor was a man in his 30s. And in the course of the first time she'd ever been behind the wheel of a car, he had her drive down a dark road. And when he got her there, he raped her. He told her that she couldn't tell anybody, couldn't tell her parents, or bad things would happen. She came back, told her parents, reported to the police, et cetera.
The case was prosecuted.
In the course of that, it was determined that because she was wearing tight jeans, she couldn't possibly have been raped. She had to be complicit and consensual in this activity, even though she was a young girl terrified, down a dark road, et cetera.
The women of the Italian parliament the next day staged a protest to that. And all of the women who worked in the Italian parliament came walking in, in a row, wearing denim jeans, saying that this is not fair.
This was decades ago. And yet we still hear things like this happening today. We hear those excuses for rape, the blaming of the victim, et cetera. So Denim Day has since that time, been an international day of raising awareness.
[00:04:43] Speaker A: Incredible. Incredible that we hope to evolve, but in so many instances, we have it.
And you've been here at Wellspring 22 plus years?
[00:05:00] Speaker B: Yes, I have. Yeah.
[00:05:02] Speaker A: So where did that calling. Was it a calling? Was it just a happy intersection of career in life?
It's that situation. Where did you find Wellspring? Did Wellspring find you then?
[00:05:22] Speaker B: I had always worked in human services, so I started out working with folks who were struggling with serious mental illness. I worked with issues of HIV and AIDS and homelessness. And in that, I certainly worked beyond my agencies in kind of the coordinated community response. And along those lines, I found Wellspring.
[00:05:44] Speaker A: How has. What. When you first enter Wellspring as a younger person, you put a career into a 22 year. Five years is a career now. You have multiple careers now after 20 plus years, where was Wellspring then? Where was your thinking then?
And then how did it change?
How has it evolved?
[00:06:13] Speaker B: Okay, that's a really great question.
The core of our work has always been survivor services. When I came, we were very, very focused on what we call victim services then. So all the core services we still do today, a hotline, an emergency shelter, counseling Legal advocacy. And that was our work. We did a little bit of work with prevention and awareness activities, but not much. It was really focused on victim services.
I'd say what has happened under my 22 years of leading the agency is that we have placed equal emphasis on prevention and social change efforts and survivor services. So we still have all those core services and we've also expanded them. We have housing programs, we have workforce development. We have more than just victim advocacy. We have the things that help survivors to sustain a life free of abuse. But in addition to that, we're also working intensively with our community on raising awareness, on. On making us all accountable for a society that does not tolerate these forms of abuse. Because that's how we end it. We don't end it by helping people who've been victimized. We end it by changing the social norms that contribute to it.
[00:07:46] Speaker A: Human services, yes. That's been your career.
[00:07:50] Speaker B: My entire career.
[00:07:53] Speaker A: When did that strike you as a young person? When did you feel that this is what I want to do? We have the career days. We want to be an astronaut, we want to be a fireman, we want to be a scientist. And our tastes change. We're exposed to different things as we grow as adolescents and then young adults.
Was this always a calling for you or were you thinking, I think I'm going to do this? But then you gravitated.
[00:08:22] Speaker B: I think it was. I was very young. I was probably right around 20. I had originally had a different career in mind, kind of being a diplomat. Went to school in D.C. for that. But some life circumstances brought me back home. I grew up in Latham, and there weren't a whole lot of diplomat jobs in Latham.
So there was a rethinking of that, and it was a very quick shift to helping people.
[00:08:45] Speaker A: And you're a Union College grad. You went to Tennessee.
[00:08:50] Speaker B: Started out at Georgetown, then came back when I came back home, graduated from Union Union College.
[00:08:55] Speaker A: So that's one stayed in the area.
And where's with a career, you still. We all try to find and cultivate a work life balance.
So where has life taken you when you're not part of this wonderful organization? What's Maggie doing when she does get that time away and the staff is here and nothing stops when Maggie's gone? What's Maggie doing?
[00:09:30] Speaker B: Okay, that's a great question. And I actually don't call it work life balance. I call it life balance because when we say work life balance, what do we put first? But I think work is a part of life too. So I call it life balance. And I'd say when I'm not here, my happy place is in nature. So whether it's hiking in the Adirondacks, whether it's kayaking, doing things in nature. Yeah. And a little bit of travel, you know, looking to going forward to Scotland this year, going to Ireland. So when I get a chance, I travel.
[00:09:58] Speaker A: So I was going to say was that part of when you, you know, as a young person, you know, the diplomat, you're looking at the world as a diplomat. So was there travel like, kind of like I could end up, you know, having to go on a junket?
[00:10:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't think that the impetus was to travel, but the impetus was to be exposed to different cultures, which is part of travel. So it was really the humans and the different cultures that I found exciting in that the.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: When we look at Wellspring and we look at the 20 years growth, success, advocacy, what was your reaction as Covid kind of unfolded in front of us and we were all in a sense, flying. We didn't know we didn't have the time machine to go back to 100 years and go, this is what the Spanish flew. And fast forward a hundred years for once in a century, not even once in a lifetime, but that type of thing.
Were you at that level of seeing how the things were start, how the world was starting to close down? What was your reaction? Were you nervous? Were you seeing things that post Covid, the realization that your work became so important?
I'm assuming the workload tripled, quadrupled, who knows, maybe more. Were you already thinking of, this is our time, this is our code red.
[00:11:39] Speaker B: You know, I think that was. You would hope that when something happened that was so devastating across the entire globe that we would all see that we are interconnected and need to look out for our neighbors, our next door neighbors and our next door neighbors on the other side of this big round orb that we live on. I think what did happen here locally is as you alluded to, as we went on the pause and folks stayed home, abuse escalated. It escalated in the homes when you were homeschooling, when you weren't going to work, when both partners were in the house, when there were so many stressors, abuse escalated. You weren't seeing your friends or you weren't seeing your family because we're trying to keep everyone healthy. In fact, you couldn't even pick up the phone and call a hotline or call your advocate in the ways you had before, because your entire family is there. We very quickly, in March of 2020, made a web based chat line so people could sit there and quietly type and get the assistance they needed. But as those months went on and on without a change, the level of abuse escalated. And for many folks, well, what was happening out in the world was scary. What was happening in the home was also scary. But what was happening at home was a familiar scary. Folks didn't know what would happen. What if I left?
I don't have work. How will I support my family? So we saw, we saw just the worries and what people are experiencing increasing. We also saw a community, though, that recognized what that must be like. I think the fact that so many people were on pause and their lives were upended in a way they'd never considered really made their hearts and their minds open to what it must be like. Like, okay, I'm, you know, somebody might be thinking, I'm home with my family. And okay, we've watched everything on Netflix and we're starting to get on each other's nerves. I can only imagine what it must be like for someone who's in an abusive situation. So we had such a caring and generous community during that time. In fact, that was. We had just launched our capital campaign to build the building. We're in here.
The day before the world went on pause, at which point we had to abandon it for a while. But as the months went on, we said, we really need to be. We don't know how long this is going to go on. We need to go forward with this. And our community gave very generously because I think they felt what it must.
[00:14:11] Speaker A: Be like as the shroud lifted, as the sun literally came out, as we ventured back out, different criteria and things like that, but the veil started to lift.
What was that like? Because not only did it allow your clients to be able to now truly reach that access, that level of access they were craving, needed, but you were able to deliver.
So did the workload just again, spike, rise again? Because now it was readily available and it was. I'm imagining, I'm asking. This is a situation where you got to rise to the occasion again.
[00:15:09] Speaker B: Yes. And it wasn't a sharp rise because I think, you know, as things started to clear a little bit, we weren't sure if that was gonna hold or not, but we did see people starting to come out. And yes, the numbers went up and that move. It brings to mind a story. You're loving the sunshine out today. I can tell because twice you've said how the sun came out.
We had someone who told a story once that I always resonate on these worst warm days, the first warm days of spring.
It was a business that was doing a small fundraiser for us. Something like your business can do on denim Day. You know, folks will all wear denim and take up a collection. They were doing that kind of thing. And I started to talk about what our services were for the person who was coordinating. And she reached over and she said, I know I got your services many years ago. And she said, let me tell you what it was like. She said, you know what it's like in March in north, the northeast, when it has been cold and gray for so long that you've forgotten that there's anything other than cold and gray. It's like it's an eternal winter. She said, and then you get that one first warm day in the spring when you're walking and the sun is beating down on you and you take off your jacket and you look at the bushes and you see the little green leaves sprouting and you start to see color again and light. And you'd forgotten that even existed. I said, uh huh. I can relate to that spring day. She said, that's what it was like. The day I came into Wellspring, I had been living in an eternal Siberian winter. And I came in and I saw lightness and hope that I didn't know existed. So I think that was, as we came out of COVID the experience that a lot of people had.
[00:17:00] Speaker A: My wife was a nursing assistant, Saratoga Hospital on ICU during COVID Uh huh.
No idea how she did it.
She saw the absolute worst, everything that we feared she was with.
And she has her way of getting through and processing and then be on ICU pre Covid, post Covid. There are the wins, the people that come in and the people that walk out. Those are the wins.
[00:17:45] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:17:47] Speaker A: How do 22 years, you've seen, you know, virtually everything.
How have you been able to handle the toughest things that come with this organization? How do you do it and continue to do it for 22 years?
This isn't an internship, this isn't a contract job. This is a 22 year old career of shaping this organization and advocating for this community.
How do you get through that?
[00:18:28] Speaker B: Okay, that's a great question. And I think people think that this must be such a depressing place to work, kind of like an ICU in some ways.
And yet you walked through here with me ahead of time and you saw colorful things and little things at people's desks and you heard laughter. And, you know, sometimes we have to tell people to tone it down during these, because you will hear just some joy from people in the background. And I think the way that we do that is not framing it in.
It's our job to rescue people, because we don't rescue people.
We're there to help them find their way and make the choices that are right for them. I always kind of say we're the Sherpa on their journey. You always say these folks are hiking to the top of Kilimanjaro or something. You know, they get all the accolades and the pictures at the top, but there is some Sherpa who's been walking beside all of these groups along the way. And that's what we do is your journey. And everybody's hike up the mountain is different and how far they go up the mountain and what choices they make. But we've been up and down that mountain many times, so we're there to be a guide and give them information.
And knowing that everybody who comes in gets treated with respect and given the agency to make the decisions that are right for them in that moment, and they can go back and make a different decision another time. And that our success doesn't depend on them getting to a certain place. Our success depends on them being respected, getting the information they need, being supported, and honoring their agency in their life. And I think that's where the good stuff comes. Because every day, we do see those people who see spring for the first time, and that's how you keep doing it.
[00:20:18] Speaker A: The it never ends. It should never end.
I share the adage, last Saturday, Earth Day, and I'm talking to some. Some young children, and I said, shouldn't every day be Earth Day? And it's great, because most children will say yes. I go, you know what? I go, every day should be Mother's Day, too.
And they look at me, and the moms just start to glow because they're like, you know, that's a great message.
[00:20:50] Speaker B: Uhhuh.
[00:20:52] Speaker A: Denim Day this month.
[00:20:55] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:20:56] Speaker A: Month of October.
Is there a way or is there a message to get out there that this should. That Denim day should be every day and awareness should be there every day? The month of April, domestic violence awareness should be every month. It shouldn't be a highlight. And then we put it away. We should. You know, what. What can people do, you know, to assist your organization? Because, I mean, again, for everything you're doing. And we're going to talk about the numbers in a second. Two counties, two large counties and you're making a huge impact. But what can other people do to help continue to make that impact? What can people do throughout the year?
[00:21:35] Speaker B: That's a great question.
And folks are always saying, you know, I really care, you know, I want to volunteer, you know, do I need to be on hotline or something? Only our professional staff do client facing work or do the hotline or anything.
And I challenge people to consider reinventing the concept of volunteerism.
Most people think of volunteerism as I'm going to go take a day and do something and I do this. You know, I have gone and certainly painted walls for Habitat for Humanity and put up sheetrock. I've done things for rebuilding together in the old house to home program. I do those kind of volunteer activities, if you will. And I call that doing volunteerism.
When it comes to our work. I invite you to do something that I call living volunteerism. And what that means is that same maybe hour and a half, two hours that you would have spent painting a wall or stone, stuffing a collection box.
Take that and come to one of our interactive programs that we have and we can bring them to your group, your workplace, your neighborhood group, whatever, your faith organization, and come and learn more deeply about our work, whether we have interactive programs about teen dating, violence, about domestic violence, et cetera. Because what happens at the end of that, you've gotten a much deeper understanding of what it's like, of what the obstacles in society are, of what the resources are and how you can help something. Then when you walk out the door, well, you haven't painted a wall. You get to look at what happens is everywhere you go, it's a reachable moment for you to notice something and be that one person who asks the question. I can't tell you how many times a survivor comes in and says things happened and other people saw what was going on. And I just wish sometime somebody had asked or somebody had reached out to me and nobody ever did. So I got to thinking it must be me.
So when you come to one of our programs and then you go out in the world, you are the person that could be what that person's looking for on their journey to being free of abuse.
[00:23:47] Speaker A: Be the change.
[00:23:48] Speaker B: Be the change.
[00:23:54] Speaker A: Looking at the website and getting ready to come and have a wonderful sit down with you.
The numbers are staggering.
But I think I looked at them as again, a sports guy. The wins.
[00:24:15] Speaker B: The wins.
[00:24:18] Speaker A: That is so many of my adages. Just because that's how I grew up. And that was my life for so Long. And that's how I relate. And I think that's how a lot of people who I know and I interact with in some way, shape or form relate. And what are the numbers that you've seen here for people to know?
[00:24:39] Speaker B: Okay. And the numbers are staggering to people. Every year we serve in person services about 1,000 survivors of relationship or sexual abuse. So around 1,000. And that's not counting their children, et cetera, and all the other family members who are affected. Our hotline ANSWERS More than 2,000 calls a year.
I think most people don't realize the prevalence. Domestic violence affects one in four women and one in seven men. Think about that. Just think about the women. Think about the number of women you encounter, whether it's family members, friends, neighbors, co workers, and divide that by four.
That's a staggering number, isn't it?
[00:25:25] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:25:26] Speaker B: So. So those are our. Some of our numbers. As far as outreach goes, we talk to 4,500, 6,000 students and adults every year, educating them about these issues, making them our allies in our vision of ending relationship and sexual abuse. So that's the numbers on the good side, because my staff of 20 over the geography that we talked about can't end it alone. We can help the people who are being affected and we can inspire others, but we need all of you to be. Are our partners in ending it.
[00:26:02] Speaker A: The Saratoga Washington county is in our business and in our industry. We talk about news deserts that are evaporating because newspapers, possibly radio stations, things like that cuts from the top down, the. The economy and things like that are being eliminated. So you have areas that do not have news deserts. And so we are fortunate enough to have a family organization that is focused on not letting that happen. Do we have deserts in this realm in the capital region? As much as you're doing in Saratoga and Washington County. Are there deserts? Is there needs that you know you're working with your counterparts and peers and other organizations to try to serve.
Are there underserved areas in the capital region right now?
[00:27:00] Speaker B: Every area. Because I think these are crimes that happen out of sight and everyone always assumes it's happening somewhere else.
So I'd actually say that every area is an underserved area because people don't know. They don't realize that it might be the person who sits next to you at work, it might be the child who's sitting next to your third grader in school, or it might even be your sister. We have a lot of folks who will call our hotline and said, I've Been in this for 10 years, and I've never even told my sister. I'm afraid no one would believe me. So I'd say that we have awareness deserts, absolutely everywhere.
[00:27:45] Speaker A: What's the message to help those? Is it being the better self and being that our own individuals, Myself, as I'm out there, becoming more aware, learning. I mean, what can I do? Okay, what can I do?
[00:28:04] Speaker B: Yep. You were talking ahead of time about how you cover the fun stuff in the news, and that's great. That must be so rewarding. And you said, I'm gonna have fun today. And I said, most people don't come in here and say this to be fun, but it is. And. And I think this is not always a comfortable thing to talk about any of these issues. Domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault, elder abuse, trafficking. It's like, where do I even start? And when do I say that? We have a group, men with Wellspring, who are members of the community, who say, we want to help in this, but we don't know what to do. And one of the things, the main thing we do is we get them comfortable with talking about these issues with other men, because most men are loving husbands, fathers, brothers, friends, co workers, to just say, this happens here and we want things to be different.
So I think that is really important is getting people to talk about it, getting workplaces to say, we care about this. And that's one thing I'll mention. Denim day again. When an organization does something like, hey, this is an issue, we believe in it. If people want to wear jeans on the 30th and give a dollar, we're going to make a contribution to Wellspring. What you're telling your workforce is, we care about this. You're also telling that person that you may not know is going through this that there's a place you can get help. You're raising awareness and you're saying, we understand. And so I think so many people are afraid to come forward because they think no one would understand. So when you are just talking about it, when you are doing this and putting it on a podcast and saying, this is a place you can get help, it will be the reachable moment for somebody. And they say that violence hides in silence. And so one way is just to break that silence.
[00:29:57] Speaker A: I gave you the toughest question when we first sat down to give you time to digest it. I've got the early tough question question, what's next?
[00:30:07] Speaker B: What's next?
[00:30:08] Speaker A: What's. What's next for Wellspring? What's next for Maggie Frog.
[00:30:12] Speaker B: Okay. More new and innovative programs for Wellspring. We, as I said, we have really expanded out from, from only core victim services to doing a kind of more holistic approach to this more community change work we're looking toward. We've got a lot of new innovative programs that expand how we address these issues. Our workforce development program just started and that is helping people, especially women, single moms who might stay trapped in abuse because of simple economics, helping them to get a living wage so their family can live safe and free from abuse. And that program is just ramping up. And we've seen people starting to do life changing career changes. We have other new programs like that that we're working on. So I think that's it.
And the community partners that we have in that are really important. So that's what's coming up for Wellspring.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: And April as a calendar month will end, but then we come back, fortunately, I think is that we then go in October.
[00:31:28] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:31:29] Speaker A: Which is another important month. And what's it mean that we use the phrase strike while the iron is hot? So that out of sight, out of mind to have April as an awareness month and then October. So talk about what's coming up in October.
[00:31:42] Speaker B: Okay, October. We started a new campaign last year. We started our one campaign and that was, well, October has always been an awareness and fundraising month. It was working with local businesses in particular to say, we care about this and sponsor things that they're doing. It could be a shopping day, it could be an awareness day, letting them reach out to their people to say, this is an issue we care about. For example, Northshire Books just did a round up your, you know, a roundup campaign at the cash register. But everybody who bought a book at Northshire got to see that this October's domestic awareness month, there's an agency you can get help and oh, maybe I'll choose to give 12 cents at the end and round up, or maybe not, that's okay. But it was a business saying we care about this. And we invite community partners to say, I would like to see a world without relationship and sexual abuse. How can I partner? And we customize it to them. And that is that idea of building that ripple beyond these walls out in the community and all being part of the solution. And we loved that. We changed from kind of a standard fundraiser where you go to a fundraising event and there's the hors d'oeuvres and the whatever and the speeches to just saying, hey, our whole community's on board with this.
[00:33:02] Speaker A: What's our numbers? What's our for anyone who listens, podcast or has someone that they're looking to help.
[00:33:08] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:33:08] Speaker A: Or willing to offer. I listened to this and I thought of you and if you need it, it's here. So what are those numbers that everyone should know. What are those go tos for all our friends out there and family.
[00:33:22] Speaker B: Okay. And let you know all of our services are free and confidential. You don't personally need to be experiencing the abuse. You can have somebody in your life and you want to know how to support them. Our services are free and confidential to you too. So during regular business hours, it's 518-583-0280. And then we have a 24 hour hotline. And that's not just for crises. It might be that 2:30 in the morning. I've been dealing with this so long and I just need to talk to somebody today. You can call us then. Okay, that's 518-5848-1488.
[00:34:04] Speaker A: And then immediate need. Is it, you know, do we call, you know, for that immediate always the hotline or.
[00:34:12] Speaker B: Nope. If it's during business hours, just call right here.
You don't even need an appointment. If you're just driving by and we're on Route 9 in Malta, you're driving by and you see the Wellspring sign and you say I've thought of it a million times that I've just never called. You want to make a left hand turn into the driveway, you can come in here and we'll help you right then. So you can call either one of those numbers and get to us. We are always there for you 24 7.
[00:34:37] Speaker A: And you're active on social media. We are available on Facebook and Instagram.
[00:34:41] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:34:41] Speaker A: And then also Wellspring itself has its own podcast, correct?
[00:34:45] Speaker B: Yes, we do.
[00:34:46] Speaker A: We have a very envious podcast room we looked at briefly. So I'm gonna take some photos to take back to my office to my publisher to see how it can it can look and be done. But tell us a little bit about the Wellspring podcast.
[00:35:02] Speaker B: Okay. Our podcast is called Springboard Sparking Real Conversations and it's available in all of your podcast streaming kind of places. And what it is, it's our way to reach you in a place that's comfortable and convenient for you, talking about issues that are related to our work. We might have some of our staff talking, answering some basic questions or you might have somebody from the community coming in. And the podcasts are usually less than 15 minutes.
And it's the place where that thing you've always wondered about but you kind of never wanted to ask somebody, or I'm afraid I might say the wrong thing. You can get those answers, and it's all about our work and all about how you can be part of the change.
[00:35:43] Speaker A: All right, so we got to be. We've got to put Springboard as part of the podcast rotation.
[00:35:48] Speaker B: Uh huh.
[00:35:49] Speaker A: And then we're getting you out on the toughest question that we bring from the Stan and Shen podcast, which is the true fun podcast with my writing partner, Shenandoah. So what is Stuart's now has Flights of ice cream. Oh, boy.
[00:36:08] Speaker B: Now there's an idea.
[00:36:09] Speaker A: So I love it because it's the old banana split container without all the.
[00:36:13] Speaker B: Gooey stuff like that.
[00:36:15] Speaker A: This is just right to the heart of the matter. And so you can get three scoops of ice cream. I think it runs $4.99. And it's one of my favorite topics when I'm in stores as I travel, going to all the fun things I can find. I'm actually asking the staff, what's your flight? So, Maggie, Franck, what is your flight?
[00:36:34] Speaker B: Okay. Whoa. That's a good question. They've got so many flavors to choose from. Let's say I'd have to start with the kind of fun sort of stuff. Peanut butter Pandemonium.
That's a good one. And then their dark chocolate ice cream is the very best anywhere.
And then let's just. Because you know what? We all need an energy kick. How about coffee? Coffee. Buzz, buzz, buzz.
[00:37:01] Speaker A: It keeps us going.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: It does.
[00:37:03] Speaker A: In every way, shape or form. It does. So I can't thank you enough for allowing me to come in and interrupt your day, but I hope I brought the sun.
[00:37:14] Speaker B: You did, you did. Justin, your smile.
[00:37:17] Speaker A: And I just, again, I can't thank you enough for everything you do and your staff does. And I'm just, I'm thrilled that we got to meet and have this opportunity to talk to all the wonderful things that Wellspring's doing here in Malta. And you're available, you're out there for everyone at any time. So please, by all means, follow Springboard. Put in your podcast rotation Wellspring. Think about it and think of others.
[00:37:44] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:37:45] Speaker A: Thank you so much.
[00:37:45] Speaker B: Thanks, Dan. This has been great.
